Time to buy now as Teh Hooi Ling writes?

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15 years 5 months ago #692 by Dongdaemun
By TEH HOOI LING SENIOR CORRESPONDENT THE current financial crisis, which germinated in the West, started to unnerve the global stock markets - albeit not that severely - in October last year. It\'s been one year since. And we\'ve seen how bad things have developed and in particular, the floor seemed to have fallen off the stock markets around the world late last week and early this week. Ten years ago, we had the Asian financial crisis which started in July when Thailand devalued the baht and unleashed unprecedented selling pressure on all regional markets. The crisis lasted just over a year. Its end was marked by the 800 points hit by the Straits Times Index in September 1998. I thought it\'d be interesting to compare how the STI reacted to both crises from the day people started getting uneasy about it up till 13 months later. So I plotted the price movement of STI between early July 1997 till end July 1998, and beginning October 2007 till end October 2008. For the Asian crisis, the price on July 1, 1997 was taken as a base. Hence the index started at 100 on that day. For the current crisis, Oct 1, 2007 was taken as the base at 100 points. From Chart 1, you can see that the paths taken by the STI in those two separate time frames were remarkably similar. By the end of the 13th month since the beginning of the Asian financial crisis, the STI had lost 47 per cent of its value. As of yesterday, the STI has shed 51 per cent compared with early October last year. As mentioned, the STI sank for another month back in 1998. After that, it just powered ahead and recouped all the previous 15 months\' losses by early May 1999 - in merely eight months\' time. (See Chart 2) By end of 1999, the index was up some 30 per cent from the start of the crisis. This week, the STI has rebounded sharply off its intra-day low of below 1,500 on Tuesday. As of yesterday, it was about 22 per cent off that low. Now let\'s take a look at Chart 3. In between 1998 and 2007, we of course had a few other crises. We went through the dotcom bust, the shock of the Sept 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, and the SARS episode. The decline in the first year of the dotcom bust was not as severe as the Asian crisis and the current crisis that we are seeing. But because it was one shock after another, prices continued to sink lower and lower and it hit a bottom only in March 2003, at a level 55 per cent lower than those in early 2000. And even at the end of 2003, a full four years later, the STI was still 34 per cent lower than it was at the beginning of 2000. So will we see a sharp recovery as that of 1998 or will we face a protracted bear market similar to the one in 2000-2003? Now take a look at Chart 4. The reason why we got out of the Asian crisis so swiftly was the strength of the US markets. While the STI halved in value in 1997-1998, the Dow Jones Industrial Index gained as much as 20 per cent before pulling back when the Russian crisis erupted in 1998. But even then, it barely fell below its July 1997 levels. However, during 2000-2003, the US market muddled along, and hence so did we. As for the current crisis, from Chart 4, you can see how sharply the US markets have contracted in the last 13 months. And a swift recovery in the US market is not expected. Hence chances of a strong and swift rebound similar to that of 1997/8 is not that great. However, we may have seen the bottom this week. Tremendous volatility typically marks the turning points of the market. Even if we have not, we are quite near the bottom. Compared with 1998, Singapore\'s GDP has expanded by some 76 per cent. If we crudely take that to represent the wealth created by STI companies in the last nine to 10 years, and use 800 points as the fair value of STI companies back in 1998, then the fair value today should be just over 1,400. Of course, GDP and companies\' earnings can shrink in the next couple of years. But it is unlikely to be as severe as the 1929 Great Depression as feared by some. For one, the concerted efforts by the global central banks have averted a systemic meltdown of the world\'s financial sector. In his newsletter to investors on Oct 20, 2008, fund management firm Ferrell\'s managing director and chief investment officer David Lee explained why he disagreed with the view that a great depression is coming. \'Unlike 1929, there is almost no cost in printing money - not politically, and certainly not in monetary terms. There is simply no resistance in printing money unless we run out of ink and paper! So, this is unlike 1929 where there are political pressures as well as the need for asset backing for anyone to hold on to a country\'s currency.\' All this printing of money will lead to prices of widely-held assets such as real estate and shares being reflated, he said. \'The amount of money that were printed the previous week is close to US$5 trillion - at least that is what the public is aware of and I am sure there is more printing to come. \'Unlike 1929, Central Banks are not the lenders of last resort but the lender of all resorts. Almost all global big banks are now majority or partially owned by governments, and when they are not, their deposits are guaranteed. \'If the commercial banks are now guaranteed by the government, why is everyone in the US, for example, buying Treasuries and not government guaranteed corporate bonds that pay higher interest? Are they not the same? No, of course not. Both are guaranteed but one pays higher interest! \'The market is irrational as everyone is too scared of the unknown! Markets should be shorting Treasuries and buying guaranteed corporate bonds!\' he wrote. \'Unlike 1929, when Benjamin Graham had yet to popularise his quantitative stock picking concepts, we now have a better understanding of valuation. It is not true that analysts have no ideas of valuation and earnings visibility, they are just too scared to stick their necks out at this moment! \'I run companies and understand how they work, and I am now sticking my neck out to say that valuation of good stocks are too low! It is so low now that if we have a 50 per cent drop in earnings in some of these stocks they are still trading at single digit earnings multiple with 5 to 10 per cent dividend yield. \'If there is a depression, will we see all the companies lowering their earnings in a big way? The answer is YES. But the probability of depression is very low when there is so much money being printed. Once banks start lending again, participants will all start to chase stocks.\' Dr Lee also talked about time compression, where with technology, everyone can react faster. Recessions will be shorter but sharper. \'If you want to be brave, this is the time to buy on dips whenever there are redemptions. If there is any \'great depression\', it will be for those who sell good companies at this level. When they wake up in a few months or few years\' time, and see the prices way above the current levels, they will feel really sick and truly depressed!\' He ended with the following quote: \'High IQ and logical arguments may be detrimental to your investment returns, especially when everyone believes in those arguments and act on them collectively. So I would rather be lucky than be smart. \'Sometimes you may be smart enough to spot the opportunities but you have to be lucky to have someone desperate enough to sell to you. \'At this point in time, who knows? It may be the rare opportunity that you can be both smart and lucky!\' As for me, here\'s how I would look at it. From current levels, we may take four years to reclaim the peak reached in October last year. Those who have been holding on to their portfolios since October are looking at four years just to recoup their capital. However, if one were to put in some money now into the market, by the time the previous peak is reached in four years\' time, one would have made a return of 100 per cent or more - or more than 20 per cent a year! But the key is to pick companies that have little chances of going bust, and to make sure that one will not need the money committed now for at least the next five years. The writer is a CFA charterholder

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15 years 5 months ago #704 by MacGyver
You are a THL supporter? :woohoo: :woohoo:

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15 years 5 months ago #728 by Mel
title of thread refers to a good time to buy. for one guy at least, it is a time to die. very sad.... A trader shot himself overnight in the open outcry pit of Brazil\'s main financial exchange in an apparent suicide attempt, shocking a market already battered by the global credit crisis. Paulo Sergio Silva, 36, a trader for the brokerage arm of Brazilian banking giant Itau, shot himself in the chest during the afternoon trading session, the exchange said, and hospital staff said he was in critical condition. The commodities and futures exchange in Sao Paulo, controlled by BM&F Bovespa, did not halt trading after the shooting. The exchange said it was unclear how the gun passed through its metal detectors. Witnesses said the gunshot briefly sowed panic on the trading floor of Latin America\'s largest financial exchange. \"We\'re shocked ... There was a loud sound of a gunshot and everyone scrambled to figure out where it came from,\" said one trader who asked not to be named. Silva was given first aid on the scene before being rushed to the hospital, where staff said he arrived in critical condition and was undergoing an operation. Witnesses said the incident happened in the interest rate futures pit, a raucous circle where on average $21 billion worth of contracts exchange hands every day. Brazil\'s financial markets have taken a pounding in recent months as the global credit crunch has spread, causing massive losses for investors and companies alike. Brazil\'s main stock index, the Bovespa, has plunged more than 50 percent since hitting an all-time high in late May. The local currency, the real BRBY, has shed a third of its value since touching a nine-year high in early August.

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15 years 5 months ago #733 by Dongdaemun
China talk,US recovery hopes push HK shares up 4.5 pct * U.S. stock futures jump, sparking recovery in Asian markets * HK stock recovery helped by talk of China rate cut * Hefty gains in banks and properties after 4-day sell down (Updates to midday) By Parvathy Ullatil HONG KONG, Nov 21 (Reuters) - Hong Kong stocks rallied at midday on Friday, ending the morning session 4.5 percent higher,as U.S. stock futures pointed to a recovery on Wall Street and amid talk that China may adjust rates again. \"A rumour has been doing the rounds since midday today, saying China may cut deposit rates by 27 basis points...This should help banks as it increases the deferential between the lending and savings rate,\" said Peter Lai, director with DBS Vickers. Other brokers speculated there might be a reduction in banks\' reserve requirements, which have been cut only twice this year compared with three reductions in the lending rate since September. China Construction Bank , which had fallen 12.7 percent in the previous three sessions on talk that Bank of America may dilute some of its holding in the Chinese lender, jumped 6.7 percent. The benchmark Hang Seng Index ended the session up 553.22 points at 12,851.78 after opening nearly 4 percent lower. \"There is a technical explanation for the rally, with the Dow Jones average having fallen more than 10 percent this week investors are hopeful about a recovery tonight and the stock futures are pointing in that direction,\" said Patrick Shum, strategist with Karl Thomson Securities. The Dow Jones futures were up 2.5 percent at 0515 GMT, sparking rebounds in other regional markets. Turnover jumped to HK$25.9 billion ($3.3 billion) from HK$23.5 billion at midday on Thursday. Property counters, which were battered by a four-day sell-off in Hong Kong, roared back to life with double-digit percentage gains. Henderson Land rallied 16.6 percent while Wharf Holdings vaulted 16 percent. The China Enterprises Index of top locally listed mainland Chinese firms jumped 3.4 percent to 6,400.62. Heavy truck manufacturer Sinotruk (Hong Kong) soared 11.3 percent after it said it was in preliminary talks with a third party on a possible long-term partnership deal,which might eventually bring in an important strategic investor. Cement makers notched up strong gains, as some investors resumed buying on hopes that China\'s $586 billion stimulus plan will boost the construction sector, propping up demand for the building material. China National Building Materials rallied 16.5 percent, while Shanshui Cement shot up 11.4 percent

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15 years 5 months ago #739 by peter lee
hello, everyone. i enjoyed reading many contributions. i have seen many said that now is the opportunity to buy but many did not elaborate how their models signaled that now is the opportunity to buy. e.g. is it some may follow what Warren Buffet said, without self analysis? e.g. some may use rate of change of earning of index. if earning of index declines lesser in this quarter compared to previous quarter (exclude extraordinary items). the turning point of equity is coming. thank you for sharing.

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15 years 5 months ago #740 by MacGyver
Hi Peter, Investment is both a science and an art. To each investor, they have their own techniques to choose the moment to buy. Take George Soros for instance, he claimed that everytime, his back aches, it is an indication to SELL!! For myself, I look at the general market sentiments. The stock market always run ahead of the real economy by six months. Hence, if I think that the real economy will be in deep shit by June 2009, I probably will be looking at companies now with the intention to buy them in Jan / Feb 2009. Those who idolise Elliot Waves will tell you that the STI must pull back around 66% from the peak (Fibonacci Ratio) to around 1152 before it can stage a rebound. We almost hit it last time when STI stopped at 1250. Hence, you may want to use that as a gauge but then again, I am no investment advisor, just my personal thoughts. Having said that, this is the CRISIS of the Century. Not sure whether the normal theory works in this situation. I believe more Singapore companies will go bust / faced difficulties when they announced their FY2008 results in Feb 2009. Better stick to those whom you strongly believe they will be around come 2010. :) :)

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